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NORMAS DEL FORO: OBLIGATORIA SU LECTURA

Hola cofrade, has recalado en la Taberna del Puerto, algo más que un foro náutico. Eres bienvenido, participa, aprende y enséñanos; de eso se trata, de enriquecernos todos en nuestros conocimientos, y sobre todo de pasar un buen rato. No entres si vienes buscando conflictos, polémicas o cualquier otro fin que no sean los anteriormente descritos. Tenemos algunas normas y es obligatorio que las leas antes de empezar.

1/ Este es un foro náutico y aunque se permite hablar de otros temas, se ruega contención en el uso de los mismos, para ello existe un foro específico.

2/ Usa títulos claros y que describan el contenido del tema. De este modo será más fácil encontrarlos en el buscador para posteriores consultas además de que facilitas el trabajo de los que te vayan a responder. Títulos ambiguos como “ayuda”, “tengo un problema”, etc... no colaboran a este fin. Inserta tú tema en el foro adecuado, mira antes de lanzarlo por si alguien poco antes que tú ha puesto lo mismo; si es así no crees un tema nuevo, contesta al otro. Usa el buscador, es una gran herramienta. No escribas todo el texto con mayúsculas, se interpreta como que estás gritando. Todo esto facilita enormemente el trabajo de los que curramos aquí.

3/ No se permite el "spam" ni la publicidad de empresas o de actividades que conlleven lucro. Tampoco solicitud de ofertas de empresas o profesionales salvo en los foros de anuncios de compra-venta.

4/ No uses el foro como un chat salvo en aquellos temas habilitados a tal efecto, los cuales periódicamente serán eliminados. Las contestaciones reiterativas y/o automáticas, haciendo uso del sistema copi-pegui o cualquier otro no están permitidas.

5/ Respeta a los demás y a sus opiniones si quieres que las tuyas sean respetadas. Los insultos, la agresividad, el mal gusto y la mala educación no están permitidas en este foro. Aquí venimos a divertirnos, no a pelearnos. Se prohíbe insultar, ser agresivo, maleducado, soez, no respetar a los demás, intentar imponer nuestras ideas, empezar o dar pie a que empiecen peleas o trifulcas. Se exige orden y delicadeza a la hora de tratar ciertos asuntos, como por ejemplo, en lo que a la ortografía se refiere. Serán considerados como insultos y faltas de respeto el calificar a los Moderadores y/o Administradores como censores, dictadores, que coartan la libertad de expresión, que aplican un doble rasero, y expresiones similares.

6/ Nos gusta conocer con quién hablamos, así que, una pequeña presentación en el foro correspondiente que existe para tal fin siempre será bien recibida. No obstante, si alguien decide no presentarse, los demás usuarios se abstendran de reclamar dicha presentación y/o realizar crítica o petición alguna.

7/ Los temas políticos o que induzcan a la polémica innecesaria, mejor los dejas para otros foros de los muchos que hay para ello en la red. Se prohíbe hablar de política, de política económica, de política social, de nacionalismos, de antinacionalismos, de diferencias idiomáticas, de banderas nacionales, de exaltaciones patrióticas, de hechos diferenciales, de religión, de anti-religíon, de toros y del maltrato animal, y en general de todos los temas que se sabe de antemano van a ser polémicos y mucho más si no son náuticos. No contestes a estos temas o mensajes, informa a los administradores. No se tolerarán actitudes racistas, xenófobas, sexistas, denigrantes hacia otros colectivos o para con los demás, totalitarias o extremistas sean del signo que sea.

8/ El reenvío de mensajes que hayan sido modificados, o bien el envío de otros mensajes que muestren su descontento con esta modificación, pueden conducir al bloqueo de la cuenta. Esto también sucederá cuando un usuario insista en retomar algún tema o continuar sobre una conducta de la que se le ha alertado. En casos de que la mala conducta de un usuario continúe, se podrá proceder a su expulsión definitiva.

9/ Todos los temas y/o mensajes que fomenten la piratería sobre cualquier software u otro material protegido, o informen de cómo o dónde llevarla a cabo serán retirados inmediatamente del foro. No obstante, y debido a la imposibilidad por parte de los administrador de controlar todos los temas y mensajes , si alguien detecta cualquier incidencia de este tipo ruego lo comunique de forma inmediata a la administración, especificando el enlace al tema para poder ser retirado.

10/ Se prohíbe la reproducción total o parcial de textos u otros medios sujetos a Copyright y/o pertenecientes a otras webs, foros, etc... Sin embargo si que se podrán insertar enlaces a los mismos, pero siempre haciendo referencia a la página propietaria.

11/ La Taberna es un foro en lengua castellana o español, pero cada uno es libre de expresarse como quiera, allá él si la mayoría no lo entiende. Los usuarios se abstendrán de hacer ningún comentario indicando al que escribe en otra lengua su pertinencia o no. Tampoco se tolerará el uso del idioma como arma reivindicativa de ningún tipo.

12/ No se permiten insultos ni difamaciones a empresas, profesionales o particulares. Tampoco acusaciones de ningún tipo, que no estén probadas o demostradas judicialmente o por lo medios legales adecuados. Este no es un medio para presentar denuncias, para ello, existen los juzgados, consumo, etc...

13/ No se permite la inserción de hilos o mensajes con el fin de generar exclusivamente tráfico a otras web o canales, bien sea mediante enlaces, mediante árticulos, ficheros o datos parciales, o por cualquier otro método.

14/ Cualquier incumplimiento de estas normas, puede ser motivo de amonestación y/o expulsión del autor, de borrado o cierre de temas o mensajes, o de cualquier otra medida que la administración decida para intentar hacer que éstas sean cumplidas. Los temas pueden ser movidos o unidos sin previo aviso a criterio de los administradores.

15/ Si estás de acuerdo con ellas este es tú sitio; si no te gustan, no te apetece cumplirlas, las consideras restrictivas, censoras o que coartan tu libertad de expresión, no entres, no intervengas, y no te quejes cuando te sean aplicadas las medias correctoras adecuadas. No luches por cambiarlas a tu conveniencia, no puedes.

16/ Baja Voluntaria del foro.

Ni éste ni ningún otro Foro tiene previsto un sistema de Bajas voluntarias y automáticas. Simplemente con dejar de participar en él, y editar el Perfil de usuario para que dejen de aparecer los datos que crean no deben verse es sufiente.

No obstante, si alguien quiere que se le borre su cuenta, deberá enviar un e-mail desde el enlace "contáctanos" que se encuentra en la parte inferior del foro usando el e-mail con el que está registrado en la Taberna ya que es la única forma de comprobar la autenticidad del que se quiere dar de baja.
Así se evita que alguien pueda coger los datos de tu cuenta y pedir que se borre la misma.

Por otro lado advertir que los mensajes del usuario aparecerán, una vez borrada la cuenta, como realizados por un "invitado" ya que las intervenciones en un Foro público, son públicas. Es decir, desde el momento en que se publican dejan de pertenecer al usuario. Por otro lado, como siempre hay contestaciones a los mensajes, si algunos son borrados, el hilo deja de tener sentido.

En cualquier caso, si existe algún o algunos mensajes en el que aparezcan datos personales que el usuario no quiere que sigan apareciendo, ANTES de pedir la baja, podrá reportarnos estos mensajes, usando la opción "reportar mensajes" y nosotros eliminaremos esos datos personales.

Se entiende que una vez borrada la cuenta, esta acción es irreversible, con lo cual no se podrá volver atrás.


Estas normas pueden ser modificadas sin previo aviso, por lo que se recomienda consultarlas regularmente...



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  • Timon de rueda al revez

    He visto algunos barcos, pocos, que tiene el timon de rueda "mirado" a popa, no en el clasico pedestal, sino sale de una caja por lo general inclinado, y es la rueda mas bien pequena.
    Por que es eso? Se gobierna bien con un timon asi?
    No me contesten que es para andar en reversa

    Los mejores amigos y peores enemigos del hombre son: fuego, lluvia y viento.

  • #2
    Re: Timon de rueda al revez

    si te fijas, son disenios clasicos o de quilla corrida
    si sacaras el barco del agua verias que la inclinacion de la rueda es paralela a la "bisagra" que sujeta la pala del timon

    es un sistema de engranajes perpendiculares, de ahi que la rueda este inclinada, para simplificar la combinacion al maximo

    yo creo que si fuera comodo se usaria mas en barcos actuales...

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    • #3
      Re: Timon de rueda al revez

      ..suele ó solía ser el modo más fácil de pasar una caña a rueda..

      ..hace algún tiempo..

      Originalmente publicado por Colt Cabrera Ver Mensaje
      Edson Marine tiene sistemas de conversión caña a rueda simples y de buen resultado por lo que puede ver hace algún tiempo..

      El precio.. creo recordar unos 1.200$ usa a esto sumarle el costo de la caja popera del mecanismo y la rueda de timón propiamente..
      (os dejo lista de precios en el último link..)



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      Un Saludo, Alberto Cabrera.
      La Mar Brama en Rebeldía...

      Gotas de agua salada recorren mis labios…
      Y por mis venas.., también gotas de agua salada...

      Socio Fundador nº 0011

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      • #4
        Re: Timon de rueda al revez

        Buenas tardes y

        Además de lo que te han comentado, algún que otro barquito se ha construido, o mejor dicho, autoconstruido con el timón en esa posición.



        Creo que el nombre del modelo del barco lo dice todo "vacationer", osea navegar tumbado, con el timón en una mano y una en la otra





        Lo que ya no logro entender es un barco que vi de refilón y no se en que película.........que tenia el timón de rueda horizontal

        A ver si alguien lo conoce


        La vida es aquello que te va sucediendo mientras tú te empeñas en hacer otros planes.

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        • #5
          Re: Timon de rueda al revez

          ..claro con la rueda horizontal sería más sencillo el mecanisno, dos piñones, uno a cada eje y una simple cadena (de amotocicleta per favore..) ..

          Un Saludo, Alberto Cabrera.
          La Mar Brama en Rebeldía...

          Gotas de agua salada recorren mis labios…
          Y por mis venas.., también gotas de agua salada...

          Socio Fundador nº 0011

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          • #6
            Re: Timon de rueda al revez

            Por ejemplo, el Santa Eulaia tiene el timón viento a popa. Los he visto hacer maniobras para amarrar y vaya cosa más incómoda. Obviamente cuando construyeron este barco el timonel era lo último que tenían en la cabeza, vaya seguramente era el último mono de la fila.

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            • #7
              Re: Timon de rueda al revez

              ..este es el del Santa Eulalia..



              ..en algunos mega Tall Ships tienen esta disposición como timón de fortuna, por si pierden los guardines del principal.. caso por ejemplo del Cuauhtemoc, México..


              Un Saludo, Alberto Cabrera.
              La Mar Brama en Rebeldía...

              Gotas de agua salada recorren mis labios…
              Y por mis venas.., también gotas de agua salada...

              Socio Fundador nº 0011

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              • #8
                Re: Timon de rueda al revez

                Lo he visto en barcos antiguos y en algun barquito nuevo, mas especificamente en una cat (asi se llaman los que tinene le mastil a proa no?) muy bonito con mucha madera, o sea muy clasico, pero de muy pequena eslora como para no ir muy lejos. Supuse que la razon debia ser la transformacion de cana a rueda, en algunos, pero pense que tal vez tenia alguna otra ventaja.

                Los mejores amigos y peores enemigos del hombre son: fuego, lluvia y viento.

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                • #9
                  Re: Timon de rueda al revez

                  Retomo este hilo, para comentarles que he vuelto a ver barcos con el timon en esta posicion, pero el eje es largo por lo que permite que pasando entre las piernas puedas usarlo como un timon comun, ese era mi error, no se gobierna mirando para atras, se encuentra en algun Allied y algun Union, ambos de quilla corrida y pala de timon muy atras. Para el que le interese, barcos antiguos de la decada de los 70-80, muy bien armados, oceanicos y con un toque clasico, busquelos en Yachtworld, por ese nombre.

                  Los mejores amigos y peores enemigos del hombre son: fuego, lluvia y viento.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Timon de rueda al revez

                    En mi gran ignorancia sobre el tema, pensé que seria para que el timonel fuera pendiente de la estela y así le fuera más facil seguir un rumbo.

                    Saludos.
                    Buena mar y vientos moderados.

                    "El ocio es un estado natural y bendito, el trabajo una necesidad antinatural" (Dicho tailandés)

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